Get it through your thick f@cking skulls…
…if I was interested in your shitty deal-a-day, I would have visited your bloody website!
So, dealaday.co.za, please for the love of Nana Mouskouri, explain to me just WHY you think I would be interested in your shit. Another thing is you’ve got my name all wrong. It is NOT “Deal Maker” last time I checked.
Going through my junk folder I see you’ve been sending me shit since Al Gore invented the internet.
I’ve never visited your site, nor did I subscribe to your deals. Well, how the hell could I subscribe to get your daily deals if I have never visited your site?! I sure as HELL did not subscribe on a mailing list of the people whose database you are using to SPAM. Who the hell is marketingdb.biz anyways?! I’d love to know how THEY got my email address!
Ok, I hear what you’re saying. I must unsubscribe and it will stop. Riiight. Well, tell you what. I’ll do just that since you both (deal-a-day and marketingdb.biz) are in South Africa and are contactable. Just for my own sanity. But should I get ONE MORE FUCKING EMAIL from you, I will… I will… I will crap in my pants. BIG shit.
Is there not laws of any kinds against SPAMMING like this? Paul? Do you know?
BTW, is this a good deal?! Just out of pure curiosity, of course!
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Actually, I hear there is a SPAM action group. if you can prove certain things - they take it to court and give you a cut of the winnings… Paul should know. Local boys as well.
Ah, thanx for pointing that out Andy. I thought there was something to that effect somewhere. Well, deal-a-day, please, no more. I unsubscribed, so thats it!
Stii you are spot on, this nonsense has to stop!
Myself and a few others have set up a Spam Action Group and are actually in the early stages putting the ECT Act to the test and prosecuting a well known spammer.
Watch this space, we will be able to reveal more soon (being a bit hush at the moment so as not to jeopardise the case) but once its out there, we’re gonna need all the support we can get!
“Going through my junk folder I see you’ve been sending me shit since Al Gore invented the internet.”
Classic - pure beauty…
In terms of the ECT Act of 19whatever a company in SA is allowed to spam you once as long as they give you the option to unsubscribe. If you do unsubscribe and they send you another email then they are in breach of this Act and you could f@ck them…
Rob, mate, good luck with that! I think you’ll get all and more support you need!
Thanx, Just. I unsubscribed, so if I do get another deal-a-day everyone will hear about it! I wonder in this case where it is a online business using a “marketing” database, who do you f@ck? I mean, deal-a-day could turn around and say, but they did not know I was not opted in with these marketingdb.biz okes. So I guess in the end it is the marketingdb.biz folks who should be accountable, right? It all sound a bit loop-holy to me…
Nope it’s quite simple really. D.A.D. sends you the mail therefore they become accountable. While the marketingbiz site may have sold your email add to them you’d have a hard case trying to go after the marketing site.
In the UK they have a system whereby you can expressly decide not to be included in these marketing lists. If someone contacts you and you are not supposed to be in the list that company faces a £5000 fine per case.
We need something like this in place for these bastards but alas who would implement it and see it through?
If I ever make a gazillion rand I’m going to open a private company to sort out spammers, and people who steal other peoples domains. Maybe we should ask Oprah if she’ll fund it?
@Justin: Yeah it makes sense. If D.A.D. had to pay say a R50 000 fine per address, I guess marketingdb.biz would be out of business anyways as no-one would use their services. The risk would simply be to big. Shit, Rob, keep us posted. Maybe we could get something like THAT going! I’d be a rich man!
@Gary: and I’ll be your first client. Oprah?! Why Oprah? Bill Gates is retiring and I reckon he’s got way too much money and will lately have way too much time, so instead of Microsoft suing the crap out of the Open Source community, maybe he can influence them to fight SPAM!
LOL! You tell ‘em like it is Stii - I mean surely we’re coming out of the Spam Dark Ages - when will people get that spray-and-pray doesn’t convert well?
I can’t emphasize enough how much I hate spam! I hate that I am constantly bombarded by useless information about subjects and products that I am really not interested in. As if my mail address is advertised between Simunye breaks, I wake up in the morning to a mailbox filled to the brink with “get rich quick” packages and “super duper management training” courses. Alas, the battle is never ending. This is not the reason that I am commenting on your page though, my comment, on the contrary, is not one of accusation and blame for the company Deal a Day but rather of delight and surprise. I also received one of their mails the other day and would have deleted it straight away was it not for a really interesting product at an unbelievable price. I did my homework and I could not find the specific item anywhere for less! The whole purchase process was quite quick and painless and before I could even say WHAM the product was delivered to my door! This doesn’t mean that I condone the misuse of private mail addresses but this one time it actually worked to my advantage!
D.A.D. - supporter
Yeah Mona, look, I hear you. I actually was in town yesterday and coincidently did go see if this was a bargain or not. I seems so. Thing is, there is ways to do things and ways not to do it. As Andre said, “spray-and-pray” was heavy popular in the Al Gore days. Nowadays you’ll get into shit for doing that.
Bugger that. Even if it was a BRILLIANT deal like a Macbook Pro for only R6999 I’d tell them to get stuffed. (Ok, now I’m pushing it…)
If they started a blog and got a bit viral on our asses, it would have been brilliant, but nooooo…. Much easier to just SPAM. There are plenty of my friends that try to make a living educating businesses of how to do it clever and the right way. They should consult with them! Hell, Rob here could help them do it right and effectively!
Since they are south africa, and contactable, get their FAX no. and start sending them 250 page faxes from Winfax at night time.
if you have one of the Telkom deals, after hours calls are free ( less than 60 mins )
big, and I mean REALLY BIG faxes create all type of confusion on their side. I have used this technique a lot. it is easy, cheap and EFFECTIVE
Deal a Day fax no. is..
012 347 75 23
that is a normal FAX machine, with normal paper. let the fun begin ….
‘I have used this technique a lot’
@kramlall: OMW dude, how often exactly do you do this and why?
I’ve been getting spam from some local property developer/seller. I phoned them up and expressed my interest in their most expensive location, and asked if they would meet with me to explain it all.
I arranged to meet them at a coffee shop local to me, and never showed up. I figure that wasted at least an hour of their time, possibly even more. Got some angry calls and SMS’s afterwards, though!
I suggest that everyone who gets (local) spam make some attempt to make the sender’s life difficult. That’s the only way they’ll learn.
Most interesting thing for me about the above incident was that they were mailing an address that I had used to register at flysaa.com. Since I have my own domain with a catch-all address, I use per-site addresses, so I can see who is looking after my email address, and who is letting it loose. Makes you wonder how careful SAA is about protecting our info . . .
I also noticed about a year ago that the address that I gave my medical aid (CAMAF) was getting spam, and tried to follow it up with them, with no luck. I suspect that an employee had a copy of their member details on their PC and got a spamming virus/trojan that was searching their PC for addresses. The emails were all coming from a local ADSL IP address, but Telkom was no help in that regard. Anyone know who “marlboro” is? That’s all I got from them . . .
Robin. the FAX technique works for all kinds of problems. maybe you live in a problem-free world ? has a bank never screwed you up ? like accidently debiting all your money away 46 times ( woops, sorry sir…, then taking 10 days to give it back )
all kinds of reasons, robin. post yr FAX no, and you can see if it works !
Thanks for blogging about Deal-A-Day. That is some seriously useful stuff they are flogging.
I’m going over to their web site now to subscribe.
Good luck subscribing, you astro-turfer.
It looks like their site is missing in action!
Oh noes! Catto be stealin’ their blog too!
http://muti.co.za/comments?sbid=18627
interestingly enough a couple of other sites that are spamming me is using the same combination of e-mail addresses e.g. for instance the most guilty ones always have our newsletter bot’s address, an address of an employee that left years ago and the 4 addresses on our main site - in order.
I think someone is selling a list - and that more than one company is using is: has anyone heard of computerthings.co.za and illuder.com? the 1st need to get someone to help them with their jpg compression and the latter - just how many anti-load shedding devices can I buy?
DealADay wormed their virulent way into my inbox today BEFORE I had even subscribed. Just thinking about them was enough to get added.
These spammers must have the latest technology!!!
I can mos laak to haf a curry knive too.
The reason SA companies spam is because they get away with it, and for every hundred people they annoy, they need just one Mona (who sounds like their marketing assistant) to make it profitable. Even some major ISPs don’t particularly care. Some of them do it themselves, and they can’t claim cluelessness as a defence. Spammers know the ECT Act (of 2002, section 45 — look it up) is weak, and a criminal case is hard to make stick. Rob Stokes, kudos for trying. I really hope it works, and that the penalty is severe. And kramlall, kudos for fighting fire with fire. The shameless scum deserve it.
An alternative is to take it up with the spammer’s ISP, and if they fail to act, to make a case against them under the ISPA Code of Conduct, which all members are required to accept. There’s little patience for spammers and the ISPs that aid and abet them there, and they can impose fines on members. Fully document the case, including email headers, unsubscribe requests and all communication, in this case with the spammer, the marketing company and their respective ISPs. If you can show that the ISPs failed to act against the spammer, you may get some joy, with less effort and civil standards of proof rather than the evidentiary standards a criminal case would require.
Better still would be lobbying for an ICASA regulation that hits really hard, like that UK fine-per-email deal. Not sure such a regulation would be legal under the atrocious ECT Abomination, but surely they can come up with something simpler, faster and more effective than laying charges with the police.
This confused me. But at least I’m not the only one commenting on a three-month-old post… Thanks, SocialRank!
@Ivo We did get some justice as their ISP did take down their site for spamming. Check it out.